The lines I assume are the whirling purple spike previous page.
Remember how Sil said readers are made during times of excessive stress? I know Ember herself is a reader, but maybe, just maybe Denrim might push Ember into unlocking her potential… hopefully that doesn’t mean Ember will embrace the voice inside her to fight back.
… You know how does Denrim know even from their first encounter that Ember can’t fight back? Elane herself doesn’t know that Ember can’t cast spells, as Ember never mentioned it to her. So Elane couldn’t have pass that piece of information down to the local guard. At most Elane found Ember’s name by looking in the sign in sheet at the library, and even if the the librarian knew what books Ember was reading and passed that info to Elane it would point to Ember at the very least should be able to cast a could of spells. As readers are known to be adept spell caster a reader looking into magic; one can assume they just can cast spells.
Denrim could be an agent of The Voice, but here’s my crackpot theory that is probably wrong, but still fun to come up with: Denrim isn’t working for The Voice he is a legit Tennin, but holds great contempt to demons like Gale (R.I.P). As Elane relayed the information to the guard an someone who is working for The Voice knows about Denrim’s reputation and passes along the information to either Denrim himself or one of his squad members that Ember is incapable of fighting back magically. This way Denrim’s methods might either push Ember to giving into The Voice inside her or at the very least make her feel so unwelcome that she returns back to Flint’s side.
Vicar, there is letting something help you then there is letting something control you. Now I get what you mean by give in but just try to be a little more specific. You don’t have to it would just be easier to tell. I would like ember to let it help but more like she just kinda kicks it’s butt it tells it what to do, which would be cool.
Generally demonic voices whispering in your head isn’t something you want to follow. Now I cannot say this is how it operates in this universe, but let’s assume this one operates the same as many others. So Ember becomes more assertive and “forces her will” on the voice to use its power.
Chances are the voice will start trying to get Ember to use its power more often. Such as “Hey, that thief is getting away maybe use some of my power to stop him?” it’s a thief after all no harm done, but it all starts small then it moves up to bigger things like “Look! That guard is harassing that person! Remember Denrim? You cannot let this happen stop him!” Well she used the power to help someone after all. It would emboldened her to use more and more of its power hoping for Ember to make a mistake. As in helping the wrong person or a patrol catches her and Ember had to defend herself causing serious or even fatal injury to the patrol members.
I believe the whole point of the voice in her is it wants control of Ember, and it has been trying to justify Ember to use its power ever since Flint awakened it. Even if it cannot have full control just being able to influence Embers actions through “justifications” would be enough for it to get the ball rolling, and making Ember think she is the one in charge while using the voice’s power is the best way for it to have indirect control of Ember’s actions.
Also she wants to silence/get rid of the voice in her, and becoming reliant of what you want to get rid of is one of the worse things she can do. In addition it seems that Ember is more incline in finding her own path instead of relying of borrowed power especially from something like the voice. Hence why she has started the path of a neutral mage.
Yes those are good points but remember, in some universe the evil power rather gets subdued or starts to help the one they posses outside of their own agenda. Also it’s not borrowed if it’s hers. She isn’t going to be getting rid of this voice, the only way for sure to tell how to not turn into a demon from that one kind that I cant remember the name of. She’s done well so far and if forcing her will on others isn’t good then what about the voice? She’s forcing her will upon it to subdue it. But I will say this, shes pretty screwed, she doesn’t have many options that we or she knows of. She has demon blood that’s active that has no known way of getting rid of, not to mention that probably the entire city guard knows that she’s a demon (I know she is half demon but the guards won’t care) so it seems like her only salvation is rather just accepting it naruto style or figuring out her other half and seeing what she specializes in.
I agree that Ember cannot get rid of her demon blood, but perhaps at most find a way to set The Voice in her back to inactive as The Voice is still inactive in Bernin. The issue with The Voice in Ember is it probably require sacrifices to maintain its power. As Flint said animal sacrifices doesn’t quite satisfy it, and what it really wants is Tennin sacrifices. Since Veera’s clan believes that Flint’s line is weakening I don’t think Cole has been helping Flint in sacrificing Tennins to maintain the family’s power. Then again I’m not sure if the Memeelis line require sacrifices to be made just at Flint’s alter to maintain everyone’s power or each member of the family needs to keep up sacrifices themselves to maintain their own. Perhaps W0lfmare can clarify this for us? Unless it already has and I missed it… wouldn’t be the first time this happened.
I also agree that yes, she is kind of screwed. Which is why I think an agent of The Voice tipped off Denrim to put Ember in one such situation which might make her rely on The Voice’s power to fight back. However, if Denrim is just using untested curses Ember does have a fighting chance. As those aren’t quite perfected, and that it can be removed with the right spell like Ember did with the first one. The real danger is if Denrim decides to stop with the experimental spells and start throwing more lethal ones at Ember.
Sacrifices aren’t required to maintain power. Flint wants to increase his favor with the voice, AKA the god of darkness through the sacrifices. And thank you for the comments, I love comments!
Or somewhat possible possibility:Embe got the lucky stick of thw gene roll and is unaffected by the voice in any major way because of her mom, or her other half is meant to battle demons and the voice and the same thing pretty much happens. But we can possibly agree upon this: a power is what you make of it, not what it makes of you.
Normally I would agree, but this doesn’t seem to be ‘just’ power. It seems to be power with an agenda and its own inclinations. I am not quite certain whether it is Possession/back-seat-living or some sort of mental modification or if it is just someone with a microphone trying to propaganda her to The Dark Side, but whatever it is, this is a power with enough baggage to make The Tennin Way a hassle if she just starts throwing her lot in with it. It does, at least, seem to have her convinced that if she goes along with it, then she is succumbing to its influence, even if she would have acted the same way regardless. The belief that she is falling to evil is likely enough to get her to do the rest herself…
As to any immunity she might have? Well it is obvious that her magic is weird. Everyone who has examined it has said as much. My two favourite theories are that her magic is sort-of anti-magic, or that she is the replacement Death God. Both of these would give her loads of resistance, but neither is particularly certain. It really is weird that nobody understand her magic though. Even as the progenitor of a completely new clan it shouldn’t have this profound an effect upon her magic. It is the gods that dictate what sort of magic is out there, clans just differ a little on how it is used. “tiny little blue flame that doesn’t cooperate with anything on a powerful reader” is pretty much directly at odds with everything we have heard of magic, so Ember is clearly an extreme freak if it is just a clan thing.
Yeah, usually I’d say that it is her blood that has the power but her brother was able to use magic without it and she still cant. Also it is her blood, regardless of what it wants it is hers, if she wanted to she could end both of them instantly.
That knife sounds like something from a horror story. Now that I think about it, the demons would probably really want to have that knife since it would increase the suffering they can inflict on their sacrifices.
Ember and Denrim play off each other nicely with her righteous indignation and his cat-and-mouse game.
Denrim is probably an agent of the voice, as Vicar explains, Denrim’s behaviour and stalking isn’t just some plain jerk-off or rudeness for her being a demon, HE wants her to BE a demon, if you understand.
… are you saying… that she, in fact, did NOT grow up in a forest that was notorious for being ruled by the god of demons, was taught the knowledge of the dark worship practices of said gods followers, and WASN’T the last born child of a SHADE, a KNOWN type of demon and a devoted “Voice” worshiper?
That is my belief, but it could go either way. He would get into hot water with the healer if he hacked pieces off of their target, but if a demon goes crazy in public, then he can go all hack-happy like he, as a good civil-minded member of the guard, has a desperate craving to do. Then again, some people are idiots and think that taunting and tormenting the demon is a sensible plan. His behaviour is certainly consistent with the old “give into your hate and rage, join The Dark Voice’s side” conversion speech, but is also consistent with him just not being pleasant company to those outside of his bias/target zone.
oWo, someone gonna be turned to Embers (see what I did there), Magic Steve *jazz hands*
What are those swirly lines around Ember?
The lines I assume are the whirling purple spike previous page.
Remember how Sil said readers are made during times of excessive stress? I know Ember herself is a reader, but maybe, just maybe Denrim might push Ember into unlocking her potential… hopefully that doesn’t mean Ember will embrace the voice inside her to fight back.
… You know how does Denrim know even from their first encounter that Ember can’t fight back? Elane herself doesn’t know that Ember can’t cast spells, as Ember never mentioned it to her. So Elane couldn’t have pass that piece of information down to the local guard. At most Elane found Ember’s name by looking in the sign in sheet at the library, and even if the the librarian knew what books Ember was reading and passed that info to Elane it would point to Ember at the very least should be able to cast a could of spells. As readers are known to be adept spell caster a reader looking into magic; one can assume they just can cast spells.
Denrim could be an agent of The Voice, but here’s my crackpot theory that is probably wrong, but still fun to come up with: Denrim isn’t working for The Voice he is a legit Tennin, but holds great contempt to demons like Gale (R.I.P). As Elane relayed the information to the guard an someone who is working for The Voice knows about Denrim’s reputation and passes along the information to either Denrim himself or one of his squad members that Ember is incapable of fighting back magically. This way Denrim’s methods might either push Ember to giving into The Voice inside her or at the very least make her feel so unwelcome that she returns back to Flint’s side.
Vicar, there is letting something help you then there is letting something control you. Now I get what you mean by give in but just try to be a little more specific. You don’t have to it would just be easier to tell. I would like ember to let it help but more like she just kinda kicks it’s butt it tells it what to do, which would be cool.
Generally demonic voices whispering in your head isn’t something you want to follow. Now I cannot say this is how it operates in this universe, but let’s assume this one operates the same as many others. So Ember becomes more assertive and “forces her will” on the voice to use its power.
Chances are the voice will start trying to get Ember to use its power more often. Such as “Hey, that thief is getting away maybe use some of my power to stop him?” it’s a thief after all no harm done, but it all starts small then it moves up to bigger things like “Look! That guard is harassing that person! Remember Denrim? You cannot let this happen stop him!” Well she used the power to help someone after all. It would emboldened her to use more and more of its power hoping for Ember to make a mistake. As in helping the wrong person or a patrol catches her and Ember had to defend herself causing serious or even fatal injury to the patrol members.
I believe the whole point of the voice in her is it wants control of Ember, and it has been trying to justify Ember to use its power ever since Flint awakened it. Even if it cannot have full control just being able to influence Embers actions through “justifications” would be enough for it to get the ball rolling, and making Ember think she is the one in charge while using the voice’s power is the best way for it to have indirect control of Ember’s actions.
Also she wants to silence/get rid of the voice in her, and becoming reliant of what you want to get rid of is one of the worse things she can do. In addition it seems that Ember is more incline in finding her own path instead of relying of borrowed power especially from something like the voice. Hence why she has started the path of a neutral mage.
Yes those are good points but remember, in some universe the evil power rather gets subdued or starts to help the one they posses outside of their own agenda. Also it’s not borrowed if it’s hers. She isn’t going to be getting rid of this voice, the only way for sure to tell how to not turn into a demon from that one kind that I cant remember the name of. She’s done well so far and if forcing her will on others isn’t good then what about the voice? She’s forcing her will upon it to subdue it. But I will say this, shes pretty screwed, she doesn’t have many options that we or she knows of. She has demon blood that’s active that has no known way of getting rid of, not to mention that probably the entire city guard knows that she’s a demon (I know she is half demon but the guards won’t care) so it seems like her only salvation is rather just accepting it naruto style or figuring out her other half and seeing what she specializes in.
I agree that Ember cannot get rid of her demon blood, but perhaps at most find a way to set The Voice in her back to inactive as The Voice is still inactive in Bernin. The issue with The Voice in Ember is it probably require sacrifices to maintain its power. As Flint said animal sacrifices doesn’t quite satisfy it, and what it really wants is Tennin sacrifices. Since Veera’s clan believes that Flint’s line is weakening I don’t think Cole has been helping Flint in sacrificing Tennins to maintain the family’s power. Then again I’m not sure if the Memeelis line require sacrifices to be made just at Flint’s alter to maintain everyone’s power or each member of the family needs to keep up sacrifices themselves to maintain their own. Perhaps W0lfmare can clarify this for us? Unless it already has and I missed it… wouldn’t be the first time this happened.
I also agree that yes, she is kind of screwed. Which is why I think an agent of The Voice tipped off Denrim to put Ember in one such situation which might make her rely on The Voice’s power to fight back. However, if Denrim is just using untested curses Ember does have a fighting chance. As those aren’t quite perfected, and that it can be removed with the right spell like Ember did with the first one. The real danger is if Denrim decides to stop with the experimental spells and start throwing more lethal ones at Ember.
Sacrifices aren’t required to maintain power. Flint wants to increase his favor with the voice, AKA the god of darkness through the sacrifices. And thank you for the comments, I love comments!
Or somewhat possible possibility:Embe got the lucky stick of thw gene roll and is unaffected by the voice in any major way because of her mom, or her other half is meant to battle demons and the voice and the same thing pretty much happens. But we can possibly agree upon this: a power is what you make of it, not what it makes of you.
This will be the shortest reply of them all, but I think you’re correct.
Normally I would agree, but this doesn’t seem to be ‘just’ power. It seems to be power with an agenda and its own inclinations. I am not quite certain whether it is Possession/back-seat-living or some sort of mental modification or if it is just someone with a microphone trying to propaganda her to The Dark Side, but whatever it is, this is a power with enough baggage to make The Tennin Way a hassle if she just starts throwing her lot in with it. It does, at least, seem to have her convinced that if she goes along with it, then she is succumbing to its influence, even if she would have acted the same way regardless. The belief that she is falling to evil is likely enough to get her to do the rest herself…
As to any immunity she might have? Well it is obvious that her magic is weird. Everyone who has examined it has said as much. My two favourite theories are that her magic is sort-of anti-magic, or that she is the replacement Death God. Both of these would give her loads of resistance, but neither is particularly certain. It really is weird that nobody understand her magic though. Even as the progenitor of a completely new clan it shouldn’t have this profound an effect upon her magic. It is the gods that dictate what sort of magic is out there, clans just differ a little on how it is used. “tiny little blue flame that doesn’t cooperate with anything on a powerful reader” is pretty much directly at odds with everything we have heard of magic, so Ember is clearly an extreme freak if it is just a clan thing.
Yeah, usually I’d say that it is her blood that has the power but her brother was able to use magic without it and she still cant. Also it is her blood, regardless of what it wants it is hers, if she wanted to she could end both of them instantly.
That knife sounds like something from a horror story. Now that I think about it, the demons would probably really want to have that knife since it would increase the suffering they can inflict on their sacrifices.
Ember and Denrim play off each other nicely with her righteous indignation and his cat-and-mouse game.
Denrim is probably an agent of the voice, as Vicar explains, Denrim’s behaviour and stalking isn’t just some plain jerk-off or rudeness for her being a demon, HE wants her to BE a demon, if you understand.
In which case, he’s probably trying to drive her away from the Tenin, and force her to return to the demons.
Can’t return to something you were never at
… are you saying… that she, in fact, did NOT grow up in a forest that was notorious for being ruled by the god of demons, was taught the knowledge of the dark worship practices of said gods followers, and WASN’T the last born child of a SHADE, a KNOWN type of demon and a devoted “Voice” worshiper?
That is my belief, but it could go either way. He would get into hot water with the healer if he hacked pieces off of their target, but if a demon goes crazy in public, then he can go all hack-happy like he, as a good civil-minded member of the guard, has a desperate craving to do. Then again, some people are idiots and think that taunting and tormenting the demon is a sensible plan. His behaviour is certainly consistent with the old “give into your hate and rage, join The Dark Voice’s side” conversion speech, but is also consistent with him just not being pleasant company to those outside of his bias/target zone.